Signals From Mars – Episode 411 – Hooligan Nation

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Welcome one and all to episode 411 of Signals

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from Mars. I’m your host, Victor. And for this

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episode, this is the Hooligan Nation crossover.

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I welcome my good friend Anthony Scinto over

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from that show. I’ve guested on their show quite

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a bit over the last few months. And it only made

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sense to bring Tony over here. I mentioned this

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at the beginning of the episode, but to me, he’s

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Tony. I’ve known him since I played Little League

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Baseball, and we would geek out at the lunch

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table. He was, what, a sixth grader, and I was

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a seventh grader, and he snuck his brother’s

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Vinnie Vincent invasion. Boys are going to rock.

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Pink. Single from the fan club. Into school.

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And we were freaking. I was freaking out. Checking

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that thing out. Because I’d never seen a pink

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vinyl. Was waiting for Vinny to do something.

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Huge fan of Kiss as you guys know. And. When

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he connected with me months ago. And started

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asking me about. Different podcast related stuff.

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And then ultimately asked me about. Being on

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the show. I was. Yeah, of course. I know that

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there are people that get approached all the

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time. It’s happened to me where I’ll approach

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someone and say, hey, you know, I’d love to have

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you on the show. I think we’d have a really good

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conversation. And it turns to, well, how many

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streams or downloads do you have? Because I want

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to make sure that I’m not wasting my time. Like,

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seriously? Yeah, all right. So I’m going to pass.

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Like, well, you know, well, well, why? Like,

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well, you know, I just want to have a cool conversation

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about music. I get it. You’re into it for the

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streams. You’re into it for the downloads. If

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it isn’t what makes sense to you, then you don’t

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want to do it. And that’s cool. And to me, what

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makes sense is having a cool music related conversation.

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And neither one of those is wrong. because I

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think ultimately you got to do what you think

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is best for your show. And I’ve had people here

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in Spain, for example, where I’ve said, Hey,

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you know, it would be a cool crossover opportunity

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where, you know, I could have my friends or my,

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my friends. Yeah. My listeners of the show, check

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you, check what you’re doing out. I go, especially

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if you’re looking to get involved. And doing

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shows in English. And I’ve gotten, well, you

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know, we pull in 50 ,000 streams a week. Unless

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you can get me half of that, then I’m not doing

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your show. I’m like, okay, no problem. Thought

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it’d be a cool idea, but I’m not going to force

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it. I’m not going to push you into doing anything

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that you don’t want to do. So that’s cool. Totally

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fine by me. There’s really nothing I can do to

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get people to, you know, whatever. I’m not putting

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a gun to anyone’s head. You want to do it? Cool.

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If not, that’s fine too. Cool thing is Rocco,

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who is his co -host. It refers to him as him.

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And every time I hear him say him, I have to

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chuckle because I remember Tom DeLuise’s character

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in the Cannonball Run movies, Captain Chaos,

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where he would refer to him as him. I’m half

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expecting Rocco to put on the cape and all that

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stuff. Anyway, quick shout out to my patrons.

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Love you guys. Thank you for your support. Thank

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you for listening to this episode. And let’s

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get on to the episode with my good friend, Tony

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Sinto of Hooligan Nation. Here we go. Welcome

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one and all to the March 28th, 2025 edition of

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Signals from Mars. I’m your host, Victor. And

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joining me is… See, I was thinking of this

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all week, how I was going to intro you. I’ve

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been on Hooligan Nation a few times already.

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I will be on Hooligan Nation in the future as

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well, so long as the editor didn’t axe all of…

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My recent appearance, who knows, maybe it didn’t

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make the cut that anything is is possible. You

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made the cut. But. See, I was I was trying to

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think of a clever lyric and I and I forgot I

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had this all week. I knew I should have written

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it down. But anyway, someone who recognizes that

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naughty girls need love, too. Yeah, I do. And

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he just wants to have some fun. Let’s not forget

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that. It is Mr. Anthony Shinto, known to me since

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for a very long time as Tony. So even though

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on the show, Rocco may call him Anthony the whole

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time, it’s Tony. It’s just a habit for me. It’s

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better than the other things that I’ve been called.

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Yeah, there you go. So welcome aboard. It is

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great to have you here. Thank you for having

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me. Yeah, and we’ve known each other for a very

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long time. I thoroughly enjoy the show that you

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guys do. I’ve been catching up all week. My reference

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there, my Samantha Fox reference, had to do with

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the Women of Kiss episode that you guys recently

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released. Unlike my show, a ton of research went

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into that because of all the little details and

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all of the names that came out. And I’m sure

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that more could have come out of there. But I

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was enthralled throughout the episode. Today,

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you guys have released the Alive 3 episode. No,

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that was Wednesday. Yeah. See, this is me catching

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up on shows. today what did you guys release

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today uh no shit i gotta remember the title of

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it um you know we gotta have catchy titles too

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um today’s video is six strings of glory the

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greatest rock guitarists okay it’s our uh Well,

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it was supposed to be our top 10 list, but then

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we ended up having about 35 honorable mentions

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on top of that. Trying to keep our podcast like

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under three hours sometimes, and it’s difficult.

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Right. And this is the first time that you guys

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have kind of gone out of KISS territory, though,

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correct? No, it’s not the first time. We did

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an episode on Jackal and Jesse James Debray.

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Oh, and I was on an episode where we talked about

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the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The Rock and

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Roll Hall of Fame is another one. And I think

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that’s the only time so far because we’re trying

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to get through album reviews to be able to open

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ourselves up. to be able to do everything else.

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I didn’t want to, I didn’t want to jump around

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without first building a base and doing album

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reviews. Right. Well, that makes sense. The,

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what I find great about the album reviews as

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well is that, um, your, your cohost Rocco, John,

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him, um, he’s listening to a lot of this stuff

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with a fresh pair of ears. And it’s funny because

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there are some times where I’m listening to the

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episodes and he like kills a song that I absolutely

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love. I’m like, no, that’s one of the only good

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songs on the album. But he’ll be like, yeah,

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this is boring, unorganized, whatever. And I’m

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like, all right, not everyone has to share the

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same opinion, but that’s cool. I mean, and the

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other neat thing is hearing him talk about certain

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things for the first time. I’ve mentioned this

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to you guys before, like the other day on one

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of the episodes I listened to, he talked about

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Greta Van Fleet or Volbeat, for example. And

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it’s funny because a lot of that is similar to

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the conversations that I have with my kids where

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they’re listening to bands for the first time

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and just having that excitement of talking about

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a band is awesome. I love hearing that stuff.

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There are two things that I… love from podcasting.

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One is hearing people get excited about listening

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to new music and or bands for the first time.

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And the other is having somebody say, uh, my

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wife’s going to get pissed off at me because

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thanks to you, I spent X amount of money on buying

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an album that I was turned on to due to your

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show or due to Patreon or, or whatever. So hearing

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him talk about that stuff always, you know, is

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a thrill to me. I like the varying opinions.

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Yeah. I like what I like, but I like to throw

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on, for instance, your podcast and you’re talking

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about something that doesn’t sound like music

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to me sometimes. Right. But I like the opinion

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that, you know, it’s like with him and I sometimes.

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We have to go out of our way not to sound like

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we’re mimicking each other because our musical

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tastes are so alike in some ways. And it’s also

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one of the, you know, you were talking a minute

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ago about a Kiss song that you liked that he

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hated. Right. But at least for me, it can change

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week to week, month to month. You know, we just

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did we just filmed an album review for Carnival

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of Souls. OK, but an album that I’ve probably

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been killing since it came out, probably listened

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to once or twice. Right. Because it was labeled

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as grunge. I just walked away from it and I spent

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two weeks. researching it and doing all the homework

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on it. And when it came time to do the album

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review, it turned out a whole lot better than

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I expected it to be. And I liked, I think I liked

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six, six or eight out of 12 songs, which a month

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ago I would have guessed that there was nothing

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anywhere close to that. Right. And you know what

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a year from now I may like all 12 or I may not.

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I may like two of them. I just, my opinion changes.

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Yeah. And that’s, that’s cool. I mean, there’s

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a lot of things you guys recently did hot in

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the shade. And it’s funny because there’s a lot

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of that album that I agree with you guys on.

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And it made me also think back to the fact that

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when that album came out, I listened to that.

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Almost nonstop. I remember the summer that that

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came out or the summer after it came out, coming

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over here to Europe and listening to that album

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nonstop that summer and thinking how great it

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was. And then all these years later, you know,

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you start to listen to things and you’re like,

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wow, that. really was not that good. But as a

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kid, you had that kind of invested interest that,

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well, you had to buy it. So you gave it maybe

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50 listens because I have to like this, you know,

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it’s Kiss. I paid for it. I have to like it.

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And then at the end of the day, you know, all

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these years later, you grow out of it and you’re

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like, yeah, it was. Really not that good. And

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now with streaming, at least for me, every song

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gets about 15, 30 seconds. If you don’t catch

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me in 15, 30 seconds, I just hit the skip button

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and move on to the next one. Right. It’s a much

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bigger difference. And also, one of the coolest

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things about doing a podcast, at least for me,

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was I’ve learned that my tastes have changed.

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as i’ve aged yeah there are certain things that

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i liked as a kid that i’m not as crazy about

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anymore and there’s a lot of things the elder

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jumps out look the elder is never going to be

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a great record in my opinion no matter what you

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do with it right but it’s a whole lot better

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at 50 years old than it was at 11 or 12 years

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old right And I can’t answer why that is other

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than, you know, it’s almost 40 years of experience

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and my tastes have changed. Yeah. And now as

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we’re talking, I’m remembering something that

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I wanted to tell you the other day when I sent

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you a barrage of messages. So you were talking

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about Lisa Hartman. Oh, Lisa Hartman. Okay. She’s

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married to Mark Goodman. Is that correct? No.

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She dated Mark Goodman. Lisa Hartman is married

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to Clint Black. Okay. Country star. What was

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the connection to Mark Goodman? One of them was

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married to Mark Goodman. Okay. And I can’t remember.

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I can’t remember who it was. Okay. So regardless,

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as you’re saying that. I remembered that somebody,

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two people that we went to school with, and one

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of them that you later worked with is actually

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related to Mark Goodman. Really? Yes. Is that

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an answer you can give me? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah. The Michowskis. The Michowskis

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are related to Mark Goodman. No kidding. Yeah.

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And the reason that I know that is because Melissa

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used to always say it all the time. Oh yeah,

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that’s my cousin. And I forgot that you mentioned

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it during the episode and it went off. And then

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when it came time for me to mention it, I blanked.

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I completely forgot. And now I can’t remember

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who the woman was. Yeah, that’s, that’s fine

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though. I mean, I think the list grew to 55 total.

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Right. And I had to cut it off at 55. It was

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more than a full -time job to search the Internet

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and then try to fact -check it as much as possible

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and then try to find some kind of photo evidence,

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which we were probably about 50 -50. Right. Of

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being able to find a photo with the member of

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KISS. So a lot of work went into that one. I’m

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not looking to do that every week, that’s for

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sure. But it was just such an interesting topic.

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Yeah. And and not for I mean, I guess at first

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it all started from Samantha Fox. Right. I mean,

00:17:50.690 –> 00:17:53.190
it just opened the door for me to do an episode

00:17:53.190 –> 00:17:59.029
that had Samantha Fox in it. And then as as time

00:17:59.029 –> 00:18:03.289
went on and it started to roll, it became all

00:18:03.289 –> 00:18:05.529
well, we can put Samantha Fox where we can put

00:18:05.529 –> 00:18:07.750
this one we can put. And then it moved out of

00:18:07.750 –> 00:18:12.210
what all of these women look like really quickly.

00:18:12.509 –> 00:18:17.410
And it turned into if you looked at them in separate

00:18:17.410 –> 00:18:24.140
groups. Gene’s dating, at least to me, looked

00:18:24.140 –> 00:18:30.519
like it was based on business. He was trying

00:18:30.519 –> 00:18:35.359
to date women that were more of a celebrity than

00:18:35.359 –> 00:18:41.220
him or could help him lift his celebrity higher.

00:18:41.700 –> 00:18:48.430
Right. And Paul Stanley wanted to. date nothing

00:18:48.430 –> 00:18:52.369
but beautiful women. 90 % of them were blonde,

00:18:52.569 –> 00:18:54.769
so he’s got a type that doesn’t make him a bad

00:18:54.769 –> 00:19:01.970
guy in any way. For Peter, in his peak of stardom,

00:19:01.970 –> 00:19:04.690
you had to be a playboy playmate. At least that’s

00:19:04.690 –> 00:19:08.430
what it looks like from our research. And then

00:19:08.430 –> 00:19:15.099
you look at Ace, who dated regular women. He

00:19:15.099 –> 00:19:19.539
wasn’t interested in stardom. He wasn’t interested

00:19:19.539 –> 00:19:23.119
in playmates. He wasn’t interested in anything

00:19:23.119 –> 00:19:30.039
that could make him more of a celebrity. In Ace’s

00:19:30.039 –> 00:19:34.779
personality, he was all over the map. Right.

00:19:34.859 –> 00:19:40.359
It turned out to be an interesting research product.

00:19:41.930 –> 00:19:44.769
So if I could have done that in school, I would

00:19:44.769 –> 00:19:49.150
have probably done better. Well, we didn’t have

00:19:49.150 –> 00:19:53.470
all the same accoutrements to help us out. Right.

00:19:53.789 –> 00:20:02.230
Back then. So one of the things where I think

00:20:02.230 –> 00:20:07.069
we were very much on the same side of things,

00:20:07.130 –> 00:20:13.269
and I’m going to preface this. By mentioning

00:20:13.269 –> 00:20:15.809
something that you’ve alluded to a few times

00:20:15.809 –> 00:20:18.970
on your show, and it’s something that I think

00:20:18.970 –> 00:20:22.990
is 100 % spot on, and it’s something that I’ve

00:20:22.990 –> 00:20:26.430
always said. If people don’t like my show, they

00:20:26.430 –> 00:20:31.109
don’t like your show, they don’t like KISS for

00:20:31.109 –> 00:20:36.450
that matter, or any other thing. Or maybe they

00:20:36.450 –> 00:20:40.289
claim to be fans and just take a negative side

00:20:40.289 –> 00:20:47.839
of things. on everything. I don’t know that having,

00:20:48.000 –> 00:20:50.500
you know, an operation performed on you, going

00:20:50.500 –> 00:20:53.059
to the dentist, you know, there aren’t people

00:20:53.059 –> 00:20:56.680
that have podcasts about that, you know, Root

00:20:56.680 –> 00:21:03.279
Canal 2025 or, you know, Root Canal Nation or,

00:21:03.440 –> 00:21:10.940
you know, or. Stuff like that. And what I’m getting

00:21:10.940 –> 00:21:14.980
at is. And this is something where with my old

00:21:14.980 –> 00:21:17.559
podcast, Galaxy of Geeks, we always used to say

00:21:17.559 –> 00:21:21.059
Star Wars fans are the best. Star Wars fans are

00:21:21.059 –> 00:21:27.200
the worst. Absolutely. And I’m starting to. See

00:21:27.200 –> 00:21:31.359
that. Maybe because I’m paying too much attention

00:21:31.359 –> 00:21:35.400
now, but with Kiss pages and groups and this

00:21:35.400 –> 00:21:38.420
and that. If you don’t like what the band is

00:21:38.420 –> 00:21:42.220
doing, there’s like a million other things you

00:21:42.220 –> 00:21:44.740
can focus on instead of just beating the dead

00:21:44.740 –> 00:21:48.180
horse of, oh, they’re doing this, they’re doing

00:21:48.180 –> 00:21:50.599
that. It’s obviously a cash grab. It’s obviously

00:21:50.599 –> 00:21:55.440
this. Last time I checked, no one’s putting a

00:21:55.440 –> 00:22:01.140
gun to my head to pay to buy that Strutter single.

00:22:01.319 –> 00:22:07.099
No one is telling me that. The only reason that

00:22:07.099 –> 00:22:09.500
I’m a, or the only way to be a true kiss fan

00:22:09.500 –> 00:22:15.200
is if I become jeans Butler or roadie or whatever,

00:22:15.420 –> 00:22:19.099
you know, there’s just some asinine connotations

00:22:19.099 –> 00:22:27.079
where I, I don’t get why there’s so much venom

00:22:27.079 –> 00:22:32.299
at this point in time. When, if something displeases

00:22:32.299 –> 00:22:35.019
you so much, why not move on to something else?

00:22:36.899 –> 00:22:47.500
Look, I equate this. I’m a Raiders fan. And most

00:22:47.500 –> 00:22:52.359
Raiders fans have been killing the Raiders for

00:22:52.359 –> 00:22:56.539
20, 25 years. Right. But they still show up every

00:22:56.539 –> 00:23:01.619
year. They still back the team. We’re all the

00:23:01.619 –> 00:23:04.940
same way in August. The Raiders are going to

00:23:04.940 –> 00:23:08.980
the Super Bowl. And then by October, everybody

00:23:08.980 –> 00:23:13.539
jumps off the sinking ship and starts to kill

00:23:13.539 –> 00:23:18.259
all the moves that they loved in March, April,

00:23:18.339 –> 00:23:21.759
May, and June. All the things they saw in the

00:23:21.759 –> 00:23:25.000
new coach hire. Oh, everybody loves Pete Carroll

00:23:25.000 –> 00:23:29.619
right now. If they’re, you know, one in four

00:23:29.619 –> 00:23:33.039
in October, they’ll be calling for him to get

00:23:33.039 –> 00:23:38.170
fired. The same thing with KISS. To me, when

00:23:38.170 –> 00:23:44.309
it I mean, in our case, a KISS podcast was not

00:23:44.309 –> 00:23:48.450
planned. It just it wasn’t a planned thing at

00:23:48.450 –> 00:23:52.970
all. But when we started to talk about it, we

00:23:52.970 –> 00:23:57.210
looked around and said, who else could we talk

00:23:57.210 –> 00:24:01.990
about every week? And never run out of any material.

00:24:02.049 –> 00:24:05.490
And part of that is their history. And the other

00:24:05.490 –> 00:24:10.630
part of that, as we’re seeing currently, is they’re

00:24:10.630 –> 00:24:14.490
75 years old and they’re continuing to create

00:24:14.490 –> 00:24:18.329
history, whether you like it or you don’t. There’s

00:24:18.329 –> 00:24:20.789
always something to talk about. We’ve done I

00:24:20.789 –> 00:24:24.269
think we’ve done three segments in three weeks

00:24:24.269 –> 00:24:30.799
over all new. Shit shows that they’ve created,

00:24:30.940 –> 00:24:35.380
starting with the Strutter single. And I think

00:24:35.380 –> 00:24:39.559
I said then, Gene Simmons doesn’t have his hand

00:24:39.559 –> 00:24:43.460
in your pocket. You’re a big boy. Like, if you

00:24:43.460 –> 00:24:48.279
want to spend $50 ,000 on that gold single, you

00:24:48.279 –> 00:24:52.720
knock yourself out. For me, I’m not doing that.

00:24:52.900 –> 00:24:57.700
But I don’t knock Kiss, Gene and Paul, Pop House.

00:24:58.490 –> 00:25:03.829
Whoever it is at this point, and everybody thinks

00:25:03.829 –> 00:25:09.309
they know, but from my knowledge and history

00:25:09.309 –> 00:25:12.890
with this band, I find it very hard to believe

00:25:12.890 –> 00:25:16.230
that they sold everything and have no control.

00:25:17.009 –> 00:25:20.150
They’re both way too much of control freaks for

00:25:20.150 –> 00:25:24.269
that. Right. So they put it out there. If you

00:25:24.269 –> 00:25:26.789
don’t like it, if you don’t want it, don’t buy

00:25:26.789 –> 00:25:29.920
it. I’m not going to buy it. And then putting

00:25:29.920 –> 00:25:33.420
out the $2 ,500 one, not good enough. I’m not

00:25:33.420 –> 00:25:36.339
buying that. I don’t want it. I’m not going to

00:25:36.339 –> 00:25:39.759
spend $50 ,000 on something to hang on my wall.

00:25:40.440 –> 00:25:43.819
Right. I’m sure as hell not going to play a $50

00:25:43.819 –> 00:25:49.980
,000 single record. Like, it’s playable, I’m

00:25:49.980 –> 00:25:56.099
told. Yeah. But I would not spend $50 ,000 on

00:25:56.099 –> 00:26:00.079
something and then play it personally. But I

00:26:00.079 –> 00:26:04.700
don’t knock Gene or Paul or Pop House or Dr.

00:26:04.839 –> 00:26:07.160
McGee Management or whoever it may be. I don’t

00:26:07.160 –> 00:26:10.480
knock them for putting it out. I mean, I don’t

00:26:10.480 –> 00:26:14.440
want to steal your thunder from your show. I’m

00:26:14.440 –> 00:26:20.349
not spending $12 ,500. to walk around as Gene’s

00:26:20.349 –> 00:26:23.849
personal assistant and roadie. But somebody will.

00:26:24.250 –> 00:26:28.349
Oh, yeah. I can almost guarantee more than one

00:26:28.349 –> 00:26:33.089
somebody will. And they’ll probably leave there

00:26:33.089 –> 00:26:37.710
ecstatically happy that they got the experience.

00:26:38.309 –> 00:26:43.470
Good for them. I think it’s great that KISS still

00:26:43.470 –> 00:26:49.039
makes this available. I mean, I feel like it

00:26:49.039 –> 00:26:55.259
gives me good material. And other fans, if they

00:26:55.259 –> 00:26:58.000
have the money or they want to spend the money,

00:26:58.099 –> 00:27:01.400
good for them. They can spend the money. I don’t

00:27:01.400 –> 00:27:04.099
think there’s anything wrong with it. I mean,

00:27:04.140 –> 00:27:06.359
you’re in Spain. I’m in a capitalist country.

00:27:08.160 –> 00:27:12.039
So you can’t knock Gene and Paul for being capitalists.

00:27:12.759 –> 00:27:18.299
And I think I said this. I said this in one of

00:27:18.299 –> 00:27:21.920
the episodes that hasn’t aired yet for us. We

00:27:21.920 –> 00:27:26.960
are fans. We have to understand Gene and Paul

00:27:26.960 –> 00:27:30.819
are not fans. Gene and Paul are in the music

00:27:30.819 –> 00:27:36.059
business. We’re not. That’s a great distinction

00:27:36.059 –> 00:27:41.569
between us and them. So the fact that. You know,

00:27:41.630 –> 00:27:45.930
Gene wants to throw out $12 ,500 roadie experience.

00:27:46.990 –> 00:27:50.490
I don’t knock him for that. I won’t pay him for

00:27:50.490 –> 00:27:54.250
it, but I don’t knock him for doing it. He’s

00:27:54.250 –> 00:27:56.890
in the music business. No matter how much money

00:27:56.890 –> 00:27:58.829
he’s got, it ain’t never going to be enough for

00:27:58.829 –> 00:28:01.569
him. Right. It’s still part of the conquest.

00:28:01.690 –> 00:28:04.509
It’s still part of the game for him. And the

00:28:04.509 –> 00:28:08.269
funny thing is, so many bands have knocked them

00:28:08.269 –> 00:28:11.329
for doing a lot of this stuff. Yeah. And then

00:28:11.329 –> 00:28:13.750
they all follow and do it. And they follow and

00:28:13.750 –> 00:28:16.730
do it. You can mention Motley Crue. You can mention

00:28:16.730 –> 00:28:20.369
Van Halen. You can mention Aerosmith. You know,

00:28:20.390 –> 00:28:22.289
when the meet and greet started, oh, you know,

00:28:22.309 –> 00:28:25.809
I’ll never do that to my fans. Not this tour

00:28:25.809 –> 00:28:29.569
anyway. You know, when the music business changed,

00:28:29.690 –> 00:28:34.289
they all did it. Absolutely. So make money. Yeah.

00:28:34.430 –> 00:28:38.029
Yeah. And as you’re saying, and this is something

00:28:38.029 –> 00:28:43.430
that. I don’t remember who I was talking to about

00:28:43.430 –> 00:28:45.650
this. I think we may have mentioned it to you

00:28:45.650 –> 00:28:50.430
off camera with the last show that we did. If

00:28:50.430 –> 00:28:56.430
you’ve won the lottery and a $50 ,000 single

00:28:56.430 –> 00:29:04.410
is affordable, why not? But at this point in

00:29:04.410 –> 00:29:10.079
time, you know, in my case, I don’t want that.

00:29:10.099 –> 00:29:12.599
Similar to you. I don’t want that. But if somebody

00:29:12.599 –> 00:29:15.920
wants to go ahead and do it, can afford it, the

00:29:15.920 –> 00:29:19.680
band is offering it, I have no problem with the

00:29:19.680 –> 00:29:22.859
band offering it or somebody going ahead and

00:29:22.859 –> 00:29:25.720
pulling the trigger. It’s their money. They know

00:29:25.720 –> 00:29:29.740
what to do with it. I mean, in my case, I can

00:29:29.740 –> 00:29:33.599
have Elon Musk money. I’m not buying a $50 ,000

00:29:33.599 –> 00:29:36.440
gold single. Right, right, right. And I’m not

00:29:36.440 –> 00:29:40.400
going to work for Gene and paying him to do it.

00:29:41.200 –> 00:29:46.839
But I have no issue with who has the money that

00:29:46.839 –> 00:29:50.420
wants to do it. My only concern, and it’s not

00:29:50.420 –> 00:29:53.339
my business, but my only concern is I just wonder

00:29:53.339 –> 00:29:56.059
how many people are going to seriously put themselves

00:29:56.059 –> 00:30:00.200
out because they got to have the gold single.

00:30:00.720 –> 00:30:05.400
or they got to go roadie for Gene. That’s concerning.

00:30:05.519 –> 00:30:08.579
I understand that it’s not concerning to Gene.

00:30:09.220 –> 00:30:14.839
Right. But as fans, it’s a little concerning

00:30:14.839 –> 00:30:18.460
to me that some guy’s going to lose his house

00:30:18.460 –> 00:30:21.339
because he’s got to go roadie for Gene for a

00:30:21.339 –> 00:30:24.720
day. Right. Have you heard his rationale on the

00:30:24.720 –> 00:30:29.380
price? Yeah, I did. I actually I heard a little

00:30:29.380 –> 00:30:32.940
bit of it last night. Actually, what what helped

00:30:32.940 –> 00:30:41.000
Gene out is what’s her name? Siwa. Whatever her

00:30:41.000 –> 00:30:44.319
name is, she’s some I don’t even know what kind

00:30:44.319 –> 00:30:47.940
of music she’s some pop act. She just dropped

00:30:47.940 –> 00:30:51.980
the same thing pretty much as him. It’s like

00:30:51.980 –> 00:30:55.559
six thousand dollars and it’s stirred back up.

00:30:56.269 –> 00:31:01.210
all of his controversy again so the last i don’t

00:31:01.210 –> 00:31:05.250
know probably the last 24 hours he’s getting

00:31:05.250 –> 00:31:08.109
more press and more press which i still think

00:31:08.109 –> 00:31:12.230
that’s what’s behind all of this yeah yeah yeah

00:31:12.230 –> 00:31:18.930
i i agree same thing with the single and i’m

00:31:18.930 –> 00:31:20.809
sure there’s gonna be more things like that i

00:31:20.809 –> 00:31:24.630
mean today the um off the soundboard was just

00:31:24.630 –> 00:31:29.230
released, the new one, with Bruce on it and from

00:31:29.230 –> 00:31:35.069
the Asylum Tour. I know a lot of people were

00:31:35.069 –> 00:31:41.170
having issues with the images for that because

00:31:41.170 –> 00:31:43.609
it’s just Gene and Paul, and this is something

00:31:43.609 –> 00:31:45.609
that I thought of listening to your Hot in the

00:31:45.609 –> 00:31:50.650
Shade episode. The video for Rise to It is the

00:31:50.650 –> 00:31:55.140
first time that we ever saw images of just the

00:31:55.140 –> 00:31:58.900
two of them that was kind of the pioneering thing

00:31:58.900 –> 00:32:03.319
where now they’ve come back with asylum and off

00:32:03.319 –> 00:32:06.559
the soundboard and we’re getting well we’re getting

00:32:06.559 –> 00:32:09.400
no got yanked but it was that image of just the

00:32:09.400 –> 00:32:13.200
two of them uh the same thing happened with um

00:32:14.829 –> 00:32:17.309
There was one of the previous reissues where

00:32:17.309 –> 00:32:19.690
it was similar, where it was an image and everyone

00:32:19.690 –> 00:32:22.730
else was cropped out and it was just Gene and

00:32:22.730 –> 00:32:26.450
Paul as well. And somebody was joking about the

00:32:26.450 –> 00:32:29.470
fact that with the 50th anniversary of Dress

00:32:29.470 –> 00:32:32.250
to Kill, it was just going to be the two of them.

00:32:33.170 –> 00:32:36.509
And I actually responded to somebody where I

00:32:36.509 –> 00:32:38.430
cropped everything out and it was just their

00:32:38.430 –> 00:32:41.369
faces. I said, no, no, no. If they were to do

00:32:41.369 –> 00:32:43.710
it. It would be this. You wouldn’t even see New

00:32:43.710 –> 00:32:45.329
York in the background. It would just be their

00:32:45.329 –> 00:32:48.029
two faces. You wouldn’t see the suits. You wouldn’t

00:32:48.029 –> 00:32:50.910
see anything. Well, I think because of the backlash

00:32:50.910 –> 00:32:56.549
that happened over the, it was a t -shirt, the

00:32:56.549 –> 00:32:59.309
asylum t -shirt. I don’t think that’ll happen

00:32:59.309 –> 00:33:03.890
now. And it’s a money thing. And I have heard

00:33:03.890 –> 00:33:10.170
that someone asked Bruce Kulik. who said no one

00:33:10.170 –> 00:33:13.109
ever approached him, which I have a problem with

00:33:13.109 –> 00:33:16.910
that. If you approach Bruce for his likeness

00:33:16.910 –> 00:33:20.329
and he comes up with a crazy number or something,

00:33:20.670 –> 00:33:24.289
same thing for Eric Carr’s estate. That’s one

00:33:24.289 –> 00:33:29.789
thing. But Pop House, allegedly bravado, it’s

00:33:29.789 –> 00:33:34.170
all the same to me. They allegedly never approached

00:33:34.170 –> 00:33:39.740
him and they got beat down. pretty bad at least

00:33:39.740 –> 00:33:43.859
online that where they pulled it the difference

00:33:43.859 –> 00:33:48.099
is they don’t have to do that with ace and peter

00:33:48.099 –> 00:33:52.579
because they own they own everything and that’s

00:33:52.579 –> 00:33:55.519
their fault so i don’t think you’ll ever i think

00:33:55.519 –> 00:33:59.240
you’ll probably never see that again but i definitely

00:33:59.240 –> 00:34:03.019
don’t think you’ll ever see it with the original

00:34:03.019 –> 00:34:05.500
kiss i mean all you got to do is go on kiss online

00:34:06.730 –> 00:34:09.570
And they’re plastered all over the place. And

00:34:09.570 –> 00:34:12.150
Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer have been tossed

00:34:12.150 –> 00:34:15.889
in the garbage. Right. Which I don’t agree with

00:34:15.889 –> 00:34:19.710
that either. And that’s that’s a large part of,

00:34:19.730 –> 00:34:23.570
you know, the Kiss fans that get labeled as haters.

00:34:24.530 –> 00:34:32.099
They are era fans. I only like the original four.

00:34:32.159 –> 00:34:36.559
I only like 73 to 79. I only like this. I only

00:34:36.559 –> 00:34:50.280
like that. For me, I can stand all eras. My only

00:34:50.280 –> 00:34:55.179
hang -up is putting Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer

00:34:55.179 –> 00:35:00.360
in Peter Criss and Ace Frehley’s makeup. And

00:35:00.360 –> 00:35:04.119
costumes, but I’m I don’t I mean, I play with

00:35:04.119 –> 00:35:07.980
Tommy. It’s funny to me, but I have no issue

00:35:07.980 –> 00:35:11.739
with Tommy as a player as long as he plays like

00:35:11.739 –> 00:35:15.980
Tommy Thayer. Right. And you take the makeup

00:35:15.980 –> 00:35:21.860
off. Like 2001, 2002, whenever it started to

00:35:21.860 –> 00:35:24.800
fall apart, if they would have took the makeup

00:35:24.800 –> 00:35:27.840
off and put Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer. Back

00:35:27.840 –> 00:35:32.800
in the band with no makeup. I’m good with it

00:35:32.800 –> 00:35:38.179
because I got, what, 22 more years of Kiss. Right.

00:35:38.480 –> 00:35:42.119
So I was always okay with it. Now, I’m a little

00:35:42.119 –> 00:35:49.320
more restrained than some fans are. I mean, I

00:35:49.320 –> 00:35:52.039
have subscribers on my channel that’s just straight

00:35:52.039 –> 00:35:56.619
out, I hate it. Well, why do you hate it? I just

00:35:56.619 –> 00:35:59.219
hate it. Well, that means you just hate it because

00:35:59.219 –> 00:36:02.340
it isn’t what you think you like. Yeah, yeah,

00:36:02.420 –> 00:36:07.440
yeah. You know? Yeah, there’s a lot of looking

00:36:07.440 –> 00:36:11.739
over my shoulder to see who’s around me to see

00:36:11.739 –> 00:36:14.500
what my opinion is going to be instead of, as

00:36:14.500 –> 00:36:17.679
you’re saying, oh, well, you know, I don’t like

00:36:17.679 –> 00:36:21.079
the fact that, you know, he wore this or he did

00:36:21.079 –> 00:36:24.599
that, but I can appreciate him as a player. Okay.

00:36:25.119 –> 00:36:28.480
Instead of, no, I hate it because I hate it.

00:36:28.920 –> 00:36:30.960
No, well, why do you hate it? Oh, because I’ve

00:36:30.960 –> 00:36:33.760
got Fred to the left of me and I’ve got Bob to

00:36:33.760 –> 00:36:36.579
the right of me. They hate it, so I have to hate

00:36:36.579 –> 00:36:40.480
it as well. And people think it’s cool to hate

00:36:40.480 –> 00:36:45.119
on everything at this point. I mean, that’s the

00:36:45.119 –> 00:36:52.039
society that we live in. We talked about this

00:36:52.039 –> 00:36:55.849
in the last episode. that we filmed for my show.

00:36:56.909 –> 00:37:05.369
I lost my place now. Now I forgot. That’s fine.

00:37:05.469 –> 00:37:10.570
It happens. I’ll remember it 20 minutes from

00:37:10.570 –> 00:37:13.349
now. Sure. And you can bring it back up. That’s

00:37:13.349 –> 00:37:16.730
no problem. The other thing that I did want to

00:37:16.730 –> 00:37:20.170
mention is the postponement of the gene dates.

00:37:21.380 –> 00:37:24.480
Now, how much does this have to do with this

00:37:24.480 –> 00:37:26.639
Vegas announcement, do you think? Do you think

00:37:26.639 –> 00:37:29.260
this is something where Paul has said to him,

00:37:29.320 –> 00:37:32.340
you know, if you keep playing dates the rest

00:37:32.340 –> 00:37:35.360
of this year, it’s going to cheapen people going

00:37:35.360 –> 00:37:40.840
out to Vegas and seeing us? Is it that just something

00:37:40.840 –> 00:37:45.380
better has come along for Gene’s time? Or I know

00:37:45.380 –> 00:37:46.900
there’s a lot of people out there saying, see,

00:37:47.019 –> 00:37:49.659
he didn’t sell all the tickets that he was supposed

00:37:49.659 –> 00:37:57.480
to sell. So for me, I think the only people you’re

00:37:57.480 –> 00:38:00.699
going to get to a Gene Simmons show, to an Ace

00:38:00.699 –> 00:38:05.019
Fraley show, to, for that matter, a solo Paul

00:38:05.019 –> 00:38:08.780
Stanley show, are hardcore KISS fans. Right.

00:38:09.360 –> 00:38:14.440
You’re not going to bring in the fair weather

00:38:14.440 –> 00:38:20.579
fans that like the makeup and the costumes and

00:38:20.579 –> 00:38:23.849
the stage show. And all of that. I think that’s

00:38:23.849 –> 00:38:27.510
part of the problem. You got Gene up there and

00:38:27.510 –> 00:38:31.190
he’s playing songs and he’s clearly playing what

00:38:31.190 –> 00:38:35.050
he wants to play. Right. So unless you’re a hardcore

00:38:35.050 –> 00:38:40.590
fan that just has to go. I don’t know if that’s

00:38:40.590 –> 00:38:42.750
going to be on the top of your list because of

00:38:42.750 –> 00:38:46.369
how the music business has changed and everybody

00:38:46.369 –> 00:38:53.389
tours almost all year around. With the economy,

00:38:53.590 –> 00:38:58.409
the way it is, and, you know, both husband and

00:38:58.409 –> 00:39:02.110
wife and most households have to work to make

00:39:02.110 –> 00:39:04.510
ends meet and all of this, you got to choose

00:39:04.510 –> 00:39:08.570
what’s your priority. Right. And then when you’re

00:39:08.570 –> 00:39:11.010
Gene Simmons, and look, again, I don’t knock

00:39:11.010 –> 00:39:14.849
Gene for this, but Gene wants what Gene wants.

00:39:15.369 –> 00:39:18.769
So if you can’t give him what he wants, he’ll

00:39:18.769 –> 00:39:24.579
just cancel it. I mean, it’s not a bad business

00:39:24.579 –> 00:39:27.980
move by him. I’m sure there’s Kiss fans that

00:39:27.980 –> 00:39:31.239
are pissed off about it because I think he canceled

00:39:31.239 –> 00:39:37.260
17 dates and he left nine dates. Now, we intend

00:39:37.260 –> 00:39:41.159
on going to one of those dates that’s in Bethlehem,

00:39:41.159 –> 00:39:45.119
Pennsylvania. And as far as right now, it’s still

00:39:45.119 –> 00:39:49.619
on. So, you know, I’m not pissed at Gene for

00:39:49.619 –> 00:39:52.639
it. But again, I think it’s a dollars and cents

00:39:52.639 –> 00:39:57.079
thing. You know Gene has a set fee that he wants

00:39:57.079 –> 00:40:01.539
because he’s Gene. And if the promoters can’t

00:40:01.539 –> 00:40:05.119
make their money back, they’re probably – and

00:40:05.119 –> 00:40:08.659
I know nothing about the music business officially.

00:40:09.280 –> 00:40:13.320
But my guess is ticket sales aren’t going very

00:40:13.320 –> 00:40:17.260
well. They call Gene up and say, hey, look, a

00:40:17.260 –> 00:40:20.639
quarter is sold. You got to take less of a minimum.

00:40:21.199 –> 00:40:26.300
And he says no. And they cancel it. It kind of

00:40:26.300 –> 00:40:28.539
makes sense. I don’t think one has to do with

00:40:28.539 –> 00:40:32.659
the other. Right. OK. That’s my personal belief.

00:40:32.760 –> 00:40:38.860
I think this all works in favor of Pop House.

00:40:39.280 –> 00:40:42.800
It, of course, all works in favor of Gene and

00:40:42.800 –> 00:40:46.679
Paul, because if Gene goes out there, it keeps

00:40:46.679 –> 00:40:50.349
the Kiss name out there. The avatars are coming

00:40:50.349 –> 00:40:55.610
allegedly in 2027. I think this is all linked

00:40:55.610 –> 00:41:01.769
to 2027. I think it’s a five -year plan. And

00:41:01.769 –> 00:41:07.429
at the end of 2027, 2028, we’re all going to

00:41:07.429 –> 00:41:10.130
be sitting around saying, damn it, they’re geniuses

00:41:10.130 –> 00:41:15.289
again. Because they just keep their name in the

00:41:15.289 –> 00:41:19.300
press. 2024, they both went out and did the podcast

00:41:19.300 –> 00:41:24.159
tours. 2025 hit. Now we’re going to put out a

00:41:24.159 –> 00:41:29.159
$50 ,000 gold single. Gene’s going to do a roadie

00:41:29.159 –> 00:41:32.760
for a day. Boom, now we’re going to storm Vegas.

00:41:33.980 –> 00:41:38.119
I think it’s just going to keep coming. And people

00:41:38.119 –> 00:41:40.719
like us are going to keep talking about KISS.

00:41:41.119 –> 00:41:44.280
Right. And people that are watching this. are

00:41:44.280 –> 00:41:47.119
going to keep watching and listening about KISS.

00:41:47.199 –> 00:41:51.639
Right. We’re their conduit to making more money.

00:41:53.860 –> 00:42:01.039
Good point. What is your limit to go to this

00:42:01.039 –> 00:42:03.840
Vegas show? Have you put a price tag on it? Is

00:42:03.840 –> 00:42:07.099
it something that you’ve entertained or is this

00:42:07.099 –> 00:42:10.199
something that doesn’t even interest you? Have

00:42:10.199 –> 00:42:14.000
you seen the prices yet? To my knowledge, the

00:42:14.000 –> 00:42:16.239
prices haven’t been released. I’ve heard a few

00:42:16.239 –> 00:42:23.260
rumors. The initial rumor was five grand, which

00:42:23.260 –> 00:42:27.900
someone else kind of shot down and said, no,

00:42:28.000 –> 00:42:31.840
I’m hearing that it’s closer to a thousand. Do

00:42:31.840 –> 00:42:35.280
you want the numbers? Yes. What are the numbers?

00:42:36.519 –> 00:42:40.079
Let me move some things around here. So anybody

00:42:40.079 –> 00:42:46.639
that wants the numbers, the website is kissarmystormsvegas

00:42:46.639 –> 00:42:51.800
.com. Okay. You want me to go through and detail

00:42:51.800 –> 00:42:56.019
what each of these packages are or just give

00:42:56.019 –> 00:42:58.760
you the prices? No, you can detail the packages.

00:42:58.780 –> 00:43:03.699
That way we can talk about them. The first package

00:43:03.699 –> 00:43:10.739
is a signature experience package. And that is

00:43:10.739 –> 00:43:17.300
$1 ,109 total per person with fees plus taxes.

00:43:17.920 –> 00:43:29.599
Okay. And that includes, I’ve got to find. Now

00:43:29.599 –> 00:43:35.800
they won’t show it to you. Oh, here it is. Three

00:43:35.800 –> 00:43:40.059
nights stay at Virgin Hotels with reduced prices

00:43:40.059 –> 00:43:45.360
on nights pre – and post -event. Kiss Unmasked

00:43:45.360 –> 00:43:48.820
electric show with, this is a change, Paul Stanley

00:43:48.820 –> 00:43:52.639
and Gene Simmons and special guests. With choice

00:43:52.639 –> 00:43:56.099
of tickets in loft section, standing room only.

00:43:57.099 –> 00:44:00.980
Q &As with members of KISS and Doc McGee. KISS

00:44:00.980 –> 00:44:03.699
Storms Vegas poster signed by members of the

00:44:03.699 –> 00:44:09.099
band. One curated KISS Storms Vegas gift. Photo

00:44:09.099 –> 00:44:13.460
with KISS memorabilia. Not with KISS. Not with

00:44:13.460 –> 00:44:16.420
KISS memorabilia. Okay. Memorabilia. Access.

00:44:17.760 –> 00:44:21.360
Here’s your picture with the KISS air guitar

00:44:21.360 –> 00:44:24.320
strings. Yeah. Yeah, you know what? If I had

00:44:24.320 –> 00:44:26.659
a choice, that’s probably what I’d take my picture

00:44:26.659 –> 00:44:31.960
with. Access to artist sets, access to activities

00:44:31.960 –> 00:44:35.599
and panels, and a collectible laminate and lanyard.

00:44:36.420 –> 00:44:41.079
That is the lowest package, and that’s $1 ,109

00:44:41.079 –> 00:44:46.860
plus tax and flight and airport transfer and

00:44:46.860 –> 00:44:49.719
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The Signature Plus

00:44:49.719 –> 00:44:56.829
experience. is $13 .89, includes everything that

00:44:56.829 –> 00:44:59.969
I said before, plus round -trip shuttle, airport

00:44:59.969 –> 00:45:04.130
transportation. The exclusive experience package

00:45:04.130 –> 00:45:10.750
is $28 .29, and that includes everything in the

00:45:10.750 –> 00:45:14.650
first two packages, plus Kiss Unmasked electric

00:45:14.650 –> 00:45:17.889
set with choice of premium seat close to the

00:45:17.889 –> 00:45:22.420
stage. Kiss Unmasked photo, early entry to Kiss

00:45:22.420 –> 00:45:27.119
member Q &As, early entry to panels, early access

00:45:27.119 –> 00:45:31.139
to merch store, private car service to and from

00:45:31.139 –> 00:45:37.800
airport, on -site Vibey experience. I don’t know.

00:45:37.860 –> 00:45:44.099
And then the top package is $51 .49 plus taxes.

00:45:46.619 –> 00:45:49.360
That includes everything from the other packages

00:45:49.360 –> 00:45:55.880
plus premium seat in gold circle, closest stage,

00:45:56.079 –> 00:45:59.880
early entry and priority seating at KISS member

00:45:59.880 –> 00:46:05.460
Q &As, access to KISS soundcheck, KISS unmasked,

00:46:05.460 –> 00:46:10.199
signed set list, and a commemorative KISS event

00:46:10.199 –> 00:46:18.119
coin. I think you started this out by asking

00:46:18.119 –> 00:46:23.460
me. Yes. So I really expected this to be like

00:46:23.460 –> 00:46:29.960
a $10 ,000 weekend. Right. I put my limit at

00:46:29.960 –> 00:46:36.880
about $1 ,000 and they came in close enough that

00:46:36.880 –> 00:46:41.139
as long as it, I’m not going to pay. The extra

00:46:41.139 –> 00:46:45.199
$50, they want you to pay the extra $50 to join

00:46:45.199 –> 00:46:50.320
the fan club to get access to pay for this early.

00:46:50.480 –> 00:46:53.219
I’m not going to do that. But if they’re still

00:46:53.219 –> 00:46:57.000
available, I think it’s April 2nd. I’m probably

00:46:57.000 –> 00:47:01.260
going to buy it and go. Okay. Just in case it’s

00:47:01.260 –> 00:47:04.619
a one -off. I don’t think it’s a one -off. Yeah,

00:47:04.639 –> 00:47:08.519
I don’t think so either. And I also don’t think

00:47:08.519 –> 00:47:11.989
it’s going to be a tour. I think this is going

00:47:11.989 –> 00:47:15.309
to be, and this is something that I’ve been saying

00:47:15.309 –> 00:47:19.469
for years that they should have done before all

00:47:19.469 –> 00:47:21.429
of the end of the road shit. End of the road

00:47:21.429 –> 00:47:27.170
should have been five years ago, 10 years ago,

00:47:27.269 –> 00:47:32.690
because once Paul’s voice started to go, they

00:47:32.690 –> 00:47:37.489
should have cut way back on the shows. And I

00:47:37.489 –> 00:47:40.869
mentioned it. I started mentioning this a long

00:47:40.869 –> 00:47:44.110
time ago and saying, look, you’re packing these

00:47:44.110 –> 00:47:48.710
cruises, do five cruises a year, do selective

00:47:48.710 –> 00:47:52.170
dates a year in big cities, rotate them on a

00:47:52.170 –> 00:47:56.570
yearly basis, do a total of 10 to 20 shows a

00:47:56.570 –> 00:48:01.510
year. People will travel to see them and they’ll

00:48:01.510 –> 00:48:04.469
pay. And this is what I think they’re going to

00:48:04.469 –> 00:48:08.389
be doing with this if they’re smart. They’ll

00:48:08.389 –> 00:48:12.349
do it once a year now at this point because I

00:48:12.349 –> 00:48:14.090
don’t think they’ll do it with the makeup, especially

00:48:14.090 –> 00:48:23.110
after the avatars come out. And they’re dangling

00:48:23.110 –> 00:48:25.650
the carrot already because the description is

00:48:25.650 –> 00:48:29.789
so ambiguous. And friends. Who’s am friends?

00:48:29.969 –> 00:48:34.010
Is that Ace and Peter? I wouldn’t call them friends.

00:48:35.230 –> 00:48:38.409
Business acquaintances. I don’t even know if

00:48:38.409 –> 00:48:45.869
I could call them that, but. OK, Bruce, Tommy,

00:48:46.110 –> 00:48:50.369
Eric. You don’t have to deal with costumes. You

00:48:50.369 –> 00:48:52.230
don’t have to deal with makeup at this point.

00:48:52.329 –> 00:48:57.170
You can pop people in and out. But I mean, beyond

00:48:57.170 –> 00:49:00.449
that, what what other what other friends do you

00:49:00.449 –> 00:49:03.389
realistically think that they can bring up? Do

00:49:03.389 –> 00:49:07.039
you think we’re going to see? a Jean Beauvoir

00:49:07.039 –> 00:49:10.840
playing bass on Thrills in the Night or something

00:49:10.840 –> 00:49:14.260
like that? I think it would be interesting if

00:49:14.260 –> 00:49:17.619
they did that. I don’t think they’re going to.

00:49:18.239 –> 00:49:23.719
I think maybe everybody jumped on the Friends

00:49:23.719 –> 00:49:30.219
part. And at least for me, I looked past the

00:49:30.219 –> 00:49:35.059
Friends because, you know, Gene. Gene has said

00:49:35.059 –> 00:49:40.500
he has no friends, number one. Right. So I don’t

00:49:40.500 –> 00:49:46.340
think that’s it. I think, again, there’s a five

00:49:46.340 –> 00:49:50.699
-year plan. I think they’re not going to announce

00:49:50.699 –> 00:49:54.059
the five -year plan until at least after this

00:49:54.059 –> 00:49:58.480
is over. They want to see how this is going to

00:49:58.480 –> 00:50:03.510
go off. They did another. Genius thing. We’ve

00:50:03.510 –> 00:50:06.730
talked about this before. If you’re not that

00:50:06.730 –> 00:50:11.929
popular, what do you do to gain popularity? You

00:50:11.929 –> 00:50:16.849
have to go away. Well, the unmasked Kiss has

00:50:16.849 –> 00:50:23.050
went away for 30 years. Very true. In my case,

00:50:23.349 –> 00:50:27.090
telling me Kiss is not going to wear makeup,

00:50:27.210 –> 00:50:32.000
is not going to wear costumes. If you add in

00:50:32.000 –> 00:50:37.019
a completely different set list, and then you

00:50:37.019 –> 00:50:41.920
throw Bruce Kulik to me as the carrot, well,

00:50:42.039 –> 00:50:45.980
now you might be on to something. As long as

00:50:45.980 –> 00:50:52.320
Paul can sing it. Because we know they all can

00:50:52.320 –> 00:50:56.440
stand out on stage and play. But Paul’s got to

00:50:56.440 –> 00:51:00.440
be able to sing it. And look. I do not feel the

00:51:00.440 –> 00:51:05.800
need to travel to Las Vegas to hear Love Gun

00:51:05.800 –> 00:51:11.920
played for the millionth time live. But would

00:51:11.920 –> 00:51:15.920
I go to Vegas to hear them play Hide Your Heart

00:51:15.920 –> 00:51:21.400
live? I just threw this out on a segment that

00:51:21.400 –> 00:51:25.880
we’re airing Wednesday. How about Bruce jumping

00:51:25.880 –> 00:51:30.679
up there and playing I Walk Alone live? I’d go

00:51:30.679 –> 00:51:35.019
to Vegas for that. I’d go to Vegas to hear Eric

00:51:35.019 –> 00:51:41.579
Singer sing Hooligan or Black Diamond or something

00:51:41.579 –> 00:51:47.179
that they didn’t regularly play. Have Paul play,

00:51:47.420 –> 00:51:52.099
you know, my choice was Love in Chains. You know,

00:51:52.119 –> 00:51:56.489
cater the set list. For what Paul can probably

00:51:56.489 –> 00:52:04.110
sing and then throw in. You know, Gene deep dives.

00:52:04.869 –> 00:52:07.710
I don’t want to hear War Machine again. I don’t

00:52:07.710 –> 00:52:09.510
want to hear I Love It Loud. I don’t want to

00:52:09.510 –> 00:52:13.250
hear God of Thunder. For those that do, good

00:52:13.250 –> 00:52:16.949
for you. I want to hear Radioactive Live. Maybe

00:52:16.949 –> 00:52:24.829
Charisma. What was the asshole song? Was it called

00:52:24.829 –> 00:52:28.829
Asshole? It was called Asshole, yeah. You know

00:52:28.829 –> 00:52:35.070
what? I’d like to see that played live. That

00:52:35.070 –> 00:52:41.130
kind of stuff. I think Rocco brought up Eric

00:52:41.130 –> 00:52:44.690
Singer singing Young and Wasted. Absolutely.

00:52:45.590 –> 00:52:50.050
Let’s go with that. If they set a set list like

00:52:50.050 –> 00:52:53.559
that, and they actually… And Paul was able

00:52:53.559 –> 00:52:57.559
to sing his parts on that. I think they’re on

00:52:57.559 –> 00:53:00.920
to something. And I personally think if it all

00:53:00.920 –> 00:53:04.639
works, you’re going to see a residency maybe

00:53:04.639 –> 00:53:09.179
once a month. What does that do for them? Oh,

00:53:09.340 –> 00:53:14.920
that brings business to Kiss Mini Golf, Kiss

00:53:14.920 –> 00:53:19.000
Museum. When the avatars open, it’s an attraction

00:53:19.000 –> 00:53:22.780
to bring people to the avatars. And they got

00:53:22.780 –> 00:53:27.360
to go out there one Saturday night a month to,

00:53:27.480 –> 00:53:35.480
you know, in a 5 ,000 seat arena. I think that’s

00:53:35.480 –> 00:53:39.539
a slam dunk for them. They’re going to sell merch.

00:53:40.980 –> 00:53:43.320
They’re going to keep their names out there.

00:53:44.199 –> 00:53:47.820
They’re going to bring business to their other

00:53:47.820 –> 00:53:51.679
business ventures out there. But it’s all and

00:53:51.679 –> 00:53:53.780
I think it replaces the cruise. I don’t think

00:53:53.780 –> 00:53:55.920
you’re going to see a cruise again. Right. No,

00:53:56.019 –> 00:54:01.019
I agree with that. I mean, allegedly, Gene has

00:54:01.019 –> 00:54:05.739
a house in Vegas. Right. And the avatars or the

00:54:05.739 –> 00:54:08.619
building is being built supposedly in Vegas.

00:54:09.599 –> 00:54:14.079
So Kiss headquarters is pretty much moving to

00:54:14.079 –> 00:54:18.219
Vegas. And it’s I think it’s a 30 minute flight.

00:54:19.340 –> 00:54:24.119
From L .A. to Vegas. So you fly in Saturday morning,

00:54:24.199 –> 00:54:26.980
you play a show Saturday night, you fly out Sunday

00:54:26.980 –> 00:54:34.900
morning. It’s a slam dunk, no lose for them as

00:54:34.900 –> 00:54:39.019
long as Paul can sing the material once a month.

00:54:39.659 –> 00:54:45.679
And then as time goes on, maybe not. You might

00:54:45.679 –> 00:54:50.960
see it in November. You might see Ace. I think

00:54:50.960 –> 00:54:53.159
Peter’s checked out. I think Peter’s retired,

00:54:53.360 –> 00:54:54.880
and I don’t think you’re going to get Peter back.

00:54:55.659 –> 00:55:01.260
But Ace, you might see him in November, and you

00:55:01.260 –> 00:55:07.719
might see him once in a while to come out there

00:55:07.719 –> 00:55:10.179
for the monthly residency if they did that. And

00:55:10.179 –> 00:55:14.039
you have to, have to, have to include Bruce,

00:55:14.280 –> 00:55:19.210
who, oh, he lives in Vegas. I think you have

00:55:19.210 –> 00:55:24.130
to include Bruce because I think Eric Carr and

00:55:24.130 –> 00:55:28.570
Bruce Kulik are the fifth and sixth official

00:55:28.570 –> 00:55:33.349
members of KISS. I think as history has shown

00:55:33.349 –> 00:55:38.969
us, they’re up there right below the original

00:55:38.969 –> 00:55:42.409
four. Right. I don’t think anybody else is. Actually,

00:55:42.429 –> 00:55:45.699
I know no one else is. People aren’t looking

00:55:45.699 –> 00:55:48.460
at Eric Singer like they would look at Eric Carr.

00:55:50.760 –> 00:55:55.679
Yeah, Eric Singer lives in Vegas as well. Well,

00:55:55.699 –> 00:55:58.739
there you go. Yeah. It’s going to become Kiss

00:55:58.739 –> 00:56:08.380
headquarters. So let’s say they say, all right,

00:56:08.460 –> 00:56:11.849
well, we’ve come to a realization. Paul can’t

00:56:11.849 –> 00:56:14.070
do an entire set list, so we’re going to bring

00:56:14.070 –> 00:56:17.070
people up to sing these songs. Paul’s still going

00:56:17.070 –> 00:56:19.949
to play and still going to prance around on stage,

00:56:20.250 –> 00:56:23.530
but he’s not going to sing all these songs, except

00:56:23.530 –> 00:56:30.570
he can still sing Silver Spoon and Bang Bang

00:56:30.570 –> 00:56:36.369
You. Would that be enough for you to see Paul

00:56:36.369 –> 00:56:41.380
sing them? Well, it’s kind of a difficult answer

00:56:41.380 –> 00:56:51.559
to give you for the November event. They’re not

00:56:51.559 –> 00:56:54.239
going to tell us, and we’re not going to know

00:56:54.239 –> 00:56:59.760
until after it happens. Would you get me back

00:56:59.760 –> 00:57:05.099
there after that November event if Paul isn’t

00:57:05.099 –> 00:57:07.840
going to sing? You wouldn’t get me back there.

00:57:08.409 –> 00:57:13.269
But in my head and the thinking that I’ve done

00:57:13.269 –> 00:57:17.789
about this is that he’s had almost two years

00:57:17.789 –> 00:57:23.070
to heal. And I don’t want him to go out. I’m

00:57:23.070 –> 00:57:25.869
like, I’m not trying to get him to go sing Crazy

00:57:25.869 –> 00:57:33.429
Nights. Cater the set list to things that the

00:57:33.429 –> 00:57:37.090
Die Hard Kiss fan maybe has never heard live.

00:57:37.929 –> 00:57:41.750
Which is what they want. That seems to be what

00:57:41.750 –> 00:57:45.349
they want. We want, as Kiss fans, we want what

00:57:45.349 –> 00:57:49.070
Kiss doesn’t give us. So when they weren’t in

00:57:49.070 –> 00:57:53.030
makeup, we wanted all four original in makeup.

00:57:53.550 –> 00:57:56.590
And then, at least for me, as time went on and

00:57:56.590 –> 00:57:59.989
you replaced and put other people in the makeup,

00:58:00.150 –> 00:58:06.059
I wanted the makeup to come off. You know, when

00:58:06.059 –> 00:58:08.579
I go to a KISS show, I went to two End of the

00:58:08.579 –> 00:58:13.300
Road shows. I’m still looking at KISS in makeup.

00:58:13.719 –> 00:58:17.719
So you have to play Detroit Rock City, Love Gun,

00:58:18.099 –> 00:58:24.340
God of Thunder, Deuce, songs like that. But if

00:58:24.340 –> 00:58:26.320
you’re going to come out there in a pair of jeans

00:58:26.320 –> 00:58:31.199
and a T -shirt, I want to hear what you don’t

00:58:31.199 –> 00:58:34.639
play live. What you’ve never played live, I want

00:58:34.639 –> 00:58:39.519
to hear things that. You know, maybe are almost

00:58:39.519 –> 00:58:43.800
50 years old that they’ve never played live.

00:58:44.420 –> 00:58:48.940
Now, if you can figure that out and and you can

00:58:48.940 –> 00:58:52.579
put Paul in a register, a voice register that

00:58:52.579 –> 00:58:56.139
he can actually sing it. Yeah, that’s great.

00:58:56.239 –> 00:59:00.719
And we all know. That if he can’t sing it and

00:59:00.719 –> 00:59:04.619
he wants to do it. They’ll just press play on

00:59:04.619 –> 00:59:12.980
the backing track. So, and, and as a, as a, as

00:59:12.980 –> 00:59:16.840
a one -off once a year thing, I don’t know how

00:59:16.840 –> 00:59:21.559
many kiss fans really care. I don’t. Right. I

00:59:21.559 –> 00:59:25.519
mean, it was obvious both shows that I saw him

00:59:25.519 –> 00:59:28.260
on the end of the road. It was very obvious.

00:59:28.940 –> 00:59:32.340
You knew when he was singing to a backing track.

00:59:33.960 –> 00:59:36.500
For the end of the road, I didn’t really care.

00:59:37.840 –> 00:59:43.300
As a whole, I care. But I just saw Blackie Lawless

00:59:43.300 –> 00:59:47.280
a few months ago, and he plays a backing track,

00:59:47.420 –> 00:59:52.179
and he doesn’t hide it. But if you go to a Wasp

00:59:52.179 –> 00:59:55.860
show, he plays a backing track for the chorus.

00:59:57.769 –> 01:00:01.809
I don’t have a real issue with that. He’s not

01:00:01.809 –> 01:00:05.329
hiding anything. He just can’t sing the verses

01:00:05.329 –> 01:00:10.690
and the choruses both. He can do it in the studio.

01:00:10.690 –> 01:00:14.469
He can’t do it live. I don’t have a real big

01:00:14.469 –> 01:00:18.090
deal about it. And as a one -off or a once -a

01:00:18.090 –> 01:00:22.630
-month show that’s going to be in a special event

01:00:22.630 –> 01:00:27.530
where probably 95 % of the people. are going

01:00:27.530 –> 01:00:30.269
to travel to Las Vegas for it. I don’t know how

01:00:30.269 –> 01:00:32.550
much they care either. They’re going to go play

01:00:32.550 –> 01:00:34.750
mini golf. They’re going to go look at the little

01:00:34.750 –> 01:00:38.449
kiss museum. You know, they’re going to go gamble

01:00:38.449 –> 01:00:41.309
when the avatars open. They’re all going to go

01:00:41.309 –> 01:00:44.789
to the avatar show. No matter what anybody, no

01:00:44.789 –> 01:00:47.989
matter what any kiss fan tells you, we’re all

01:00:47.989 –> 01:00:49.510
going to make jokes about it. We’re all going

01:00:49.510 –> 01:00:51.570
to do this. And we’re all, when it comes out,

01:00:51.610 –> 01:00:54.429
we’re all going to go. I think I got to go to

01:00:54.429 –> 01:00:58.300
that. But you got to be a diehard for it. Right.

01:00:58.900 –> 01:01:02.579
Like the fair weather fans, they’re done. Kiss

01:01:02.579 –> 01:01:08.599
retired. That’s at least my take on it. So let

01:01:08.599 –> 01:01:13.260
me ask you this. What five songs would you love

01:01:13.260 –> 01:01:22.480
to see them do live? I can do you better. I think

01:01:22.480 –> 01:01:30.320
I still have my list. So I took Paul singing

01:01:30.320 –> 01:01:35.460
into consideration, but it was not my first priority.

01:01:35.920 –> 01:01:40.139
Okay. And part of that reason is I want to hear

01:01:40.139 –> 01:01:46.199
I’ve had enough into the fire live. So that was

01:01:46.199 –> 01:01:50.860
my opener. And I can’t find my list right now,

01:01:51.000 –> 01:01:59.130
but I had Gene singing radioactive. I had Bruce

01:01:59.130 –> 01:02:09.769
singing I Walk Alone. Rocco had I’m a Legend

01:02:09.769 –> 01:02:13.369
Tonight. Okay. Which I thought was great, but

01:02:13.369 –> 01:02:16.469
I don’t think he can sing. I had Hide Your Heart.

01:02:18.570 –> 01:02:24.469
I had Eric Singer singing Black Diamond and Nothing

01:02:24.469 –> 01:02:33.199
to Lose. I can’t remember. Well, I had Paul singing

01:02:33.199 –> 01:02:42.380
Love in Chains. And then I leaned more to the

01:02:42.380 –> 01:02:47.260
non -makeup era. So I think I had King of the

01:02:47.260 –> 01:02:53.579
Mountain maybe in there. I can’t remember what

01:02:53.579 –> 01:02:59.230
else I had in there. You make me rock hard. That’s

01:02:59.230 –> 01:03:04.610
classic. Classic to put in there. But those are

01:03:04.610 –> 01:03:08.170
the kind of songs that I think you’re going to

01:03:08.170 –> 01:03:12.510
draw the diehard Kiss fan out. And you’re going

01:03:12.510 –> 01:03:15.670
to get a certain percentage of them to bite and

01:03:15.670 –> 01:03:21.809
say, I want to hear this specific song live.

01:03:22.349 –> 01:03:28.840
And this is the only place I can get that. How

01:03:28.840 –> 01:03:35.219
about hide your heart with Ace? Oh, I haven’t

01:03:35.219 –> 01:03:38.659
considered that. I think Kiss’s version was better,

01:03:38.719 –> 01:03:41.119
but I’d be okay with that. But you could have

01:03:41.119 –> 01:03:43.760
Ace up there and he could do, you know, they

01:03:43.760 –> 01:03:47.360
could do half and half the vocals. I’d be okay

01:03:47.360 –> 01:03:50.139
with that. I should, I’d be better than okay

01:03:50.139 –> 01:03:54.340
with that. Yeah. And all right. So how about

01:03:54.340 –> 01:03:58.170
with the whole friends thing? Because, I mean,

01:03:58.210 –> 01:04:01.389
I think if they were smart, you look at someone

01:04:01.389 –> 01:04:05.030
like Whitesnake, who brought in on their last

01:04:05.030 –> 01:04:10.269
two tours, they brought Dino in. Dino Gerolicious,

01:04:10.469 –> 01:04:13.869
I think is his last name, to play keyboards and

01:04:13.869 –> 01:04:16.809
who can sing better than David Coverdale can

01:04:16.809 –> 01:04:25.260
in 2025. So you bring someone else in, you say,

01:04:25.320 –> 01:04:28.719
and friends, and you bring in a third guitarist

01:04:28.719 –> 01:04:33.219
who’s going to do the high parts or do the choruses

01:04:33.219 –> 01:04:35.800
or stuff like that, similar to what you said

01:04:35.800 –> 01:04:39.800
with Blackie. That’s what Ace does now with Scott

01:04:39.800 –> 01:04:42.639
Coogan on drums, where Scott does all the Paul

01:04:42.639 –> 01:04:46.840
stuff live. So do you bring in somebody to hit

01:04:46.840 –> 01:04:50.559
those notes that Paul can’t hit in certain spots

01:04:50.559 –> 01:04:53.809
in the songs? I don’t think would have you’re

01:04:53.809 –> 01:04:58.510
saying no, not for me. I want to see if I’m going

01:04:58.510 –> 01:05:03.289
to fly to. If I’m going to fly to Vegas. I’m

01:05:03.289 –> 01:05:07.710
flying to Vegas to see Kiss. OK, I don’t want

01:05:07.710 –> 01:05:12.730
to see, you know, let’s say Kiss with Jeff Tate

01:05:12.730 –> 01:05:16.409
from Queensryche singing because he’s a Kiss

01:05:16.409 –> 01:05:20.489
fan. No, I’m not. I don’t I don’t want to hear.

01:05:21.710 –> 01:05:26.550
Songs like Love Gun and Detroit Rock City, I

01:05:26.550 –> 01:05:31.570
don’t care who sings it. I heard it every concert

01:05:31.570 –> 01:05:38.010
that I ever went to. I want to hear Paul and

01:05:38.010 –> 01:05:42.789
Gene have to sit down and figure out what songs

01:05:42.789 –> 01:05:52.260
Paul can sing that is a deep track. That’s what

01:05:52.260 –> 01:05:56.000
I want to hear. I don’t really care. I don’t

01:05:56.000 –> 01:06:00.239
think I really care what it is. I just don’t

01:06:00.239 –> 01:06:03.840
want to hear what I’ve heard my whole life. And

01:06:03.840 –> 01:06:07.400
I don’t want, you know, any friends singing.

01:06:07.920 –> 01:06:11.679
Am I OK with any friends jumping up there like,

01:06:11.679 –> 01:06:14.519
you know, Scotty and jumping up there with an

01:06:14.519 –> 01:06:18.530
axe bass? and playing a song yeah i’m okay with

01:06:18.530 –> 01:06:22.710
that it’s it’s it’s not a draw to me i’m okay

01:06:22.710 –> 01:06:29.110
with it i don’t need it uh you know and friends

01:06:29.110 –> 01:06:34.829
to me is you know bring ace up there just please

01:06:34.829 –> 01:06:38.190
don’t have them play shock me like that’s what

01:06:38.190 –> 01:06:42.219
i think we’re all tired of Bring Ace up there.

01:06:42.539 –> 01:06:46.019
One of my favorite Ace songs is Into the Night.

01:06:46.159 –> 01:06:52.639
You know this. I have searched, researched, asked

01:06:52.639 –> 01:06:55.480
people, called up radio shows. I’ve done every

01:06:55.480 –> 01:06:59.519
crazy thing that you can imagine. I can’t find

01:06:59.519 –> 01:07:04.320
it played live anywhere. I just want to know,

01:07:04.440 –> 01:07:08.619
can he not play it? Can he not sing it? Does

01:07:08.619 –> 01:07:12.659
he hate it? Like you tell me Ace is going to

01:07:12.659 –> 01:07:16.159
jump up on stage and play into the night in Vegas.

01:07:17.559 –> 01:07:21.239
And that seals the deal for me. And I’m going

01:07:21.239 –> 01:07:24.559
to go and I’m just going to go for that. I mean,

01:07:24.579 –> 01:07:26.920
I’m going to go for a lot of other reasons that

01:07:26.920 –> 01:07:30.519
the Raiders are in Vegas. Hopefully they’re playing

01:07:30.519 –> 01:07:33.559
home that weekend. I know they won’t be, but

01:07:33.559 –> 01:07:36.659
I’ll go take a tour of the stadium. I want to

01:07:36.659 –> 01:07:40.079
go get kiss air guitar strings at the kiss mini

01:07:40.079 –> 01:07:43.300
golf. I’m going to go play mini golf. So there’s

01:07:43.300 –> 01:07:48.500
other things to do because it’s Las Vegas. But

01:07:48.500 –> 01:07:51.340
yeah, Ace is going to play into the night. I’m

01:07:51.340 –> 01:07:54.460
in. Bruce is going to play. I walk alone. I’m

01:07:54.460 –> 01:07:58.219
in. Those are the things, at least for me, that’s

01:07:58.219 –> 01:08:00.639
going to draw me in. And it might draw me there

01:08:00.639 –> 01:08:06.250
yearly. It might. Hey, I can go to a Kiss residency

01:08:06.250 –> 01:08:12.190
show and I can go to a Raiders game and I can,

01:08:12.190 –> 01:08:15.610
you know, go spend my money on Kiss merch at

01:08:15.610 –> 01:08:18.710
the Kiss Museum once a year. I’d probably do

01:08:18.710 –> 01:08:23.310
it. All right. So the tradeoff, you get to see

01:08:23.310 –> 01:08:26.829
Into the Night, you get to see I Walk Alone,

01:08:26.989 –> 01:08:30.510
but you also get to see Jeff Tate sing Just the

01:08:30.510 –> 01:08:36.159
Boy with Kiss. Yeah, I’ll bring my earplugs.

01:08:39.199 –> 01:08:46.640
Look, at least for me, the history of KISS has

01:08:46.640 –> 01:08:49.439
been always you got to take the good with the

01:08:49.439 –> 01:08:53.399
bad. Yeah, absolutely. That’s why I think if

01:08:53.399 –> 01:08:56.640
you manage to get an Into the Night, you’re going

01:08:56.640 –> 01:09:00.340
to get. something else in the other direction

01:09:00.340 –> 01:09:03.359
you’ll get peter to sing uh finally found my

01:09:03.359 –> 01:09:07.420
way or or something like that i mean will i goof

01:09:07.420 –> 01:09:12.100
on them absolutely i will goof on them will i

01:09:12.100 –> 01:09:17.460
go yeah absolutely i’ll go i i just don’t i don’t

01:09:17.460 –> 01:09:20.079
see the need for it i don’t see the need for

01:09:20.079 –> 01:09:24.020
jeff tate standing up there singing kiss song

01:09:24.020 –> 01:09:30.079
i’d rather I’d rather Gene sing Just a Boy than

01:09:30.079 –> 01:09:35.060
bringing somebody in from the outside. You want

01:09:35.060 –> 01:09:39.319
to impress me? Give Vinny. Because it always

01:09:39.319 –> 01:09:42.420
makes for good drama. Would you be good with

01:09:42.420 –> 01:09:52.399
them bringing their kids up? I’m convinced that…

01:09:52.970 –> 01:09:59.689
Evan and Nick will probably be the opener. Okay.

01:10:00.289 –> 01:10:04.810
What do I know? But it just seems to work out

01:10:04.810 –> 01:10:09.510
for me. They have enough time to get a backing

01:10:09.510 –> 01:10:14.689
band together. It’s a way for Paul and Gene to

01:10:14.689 –> 01:10:19.350
promote their kids. And it’s a way for Evan and

01:10:19.350 –> 01:10:22.909
Nick to get promoted and be separate from Kiss,

01:10:23.149 –> 01:10:27.689
but also be able to get some kind of juice from

01:10:27.689 –> 01:10:30.390
them at the same time. I wouldn’t be opposed

01:10:30.390 –> 01:10:36.789
to that. Do I want Evan Stanley singing Detroit

01:10:36.789 –> 01:10:42.710
Rock City? I don’t know. Maybe. Maybe I’d be

01:10:42.710 –> 01:10:47.060
okay with it. You know, if you gave me Ace into

01:10:47.060 –> 01:10:50.840
the night, you gave me Gene or you gave me Bruce.

01:10:50.939 –> 01:10:54.979
I walk alone. You know, Gene came up there and

01:10:54.979 –> 01:11:00.479
sang radioactive. If Evan came out and played

01:11:00.479 –> 01:11:03.039
Detroit Rock City, I might be all right with

01:11:03.039 –> 01:11:06.800
them. But they don’t care if we’re all right

01:11:06.800 –> 01:11:10.720
with it. Right. They care that we’re there. Yeah.

01:11:10.779 –> 01:11:14.250
I’d already be there. And I think that’s the

01:11:14.250 –> 01:11:18.850
largest part of the game. I think this is the

01:11:18.850 –> 01:11:24.470
reunion all over again. They’re taking baby steps.

01:11:25.949 –> 01:11:28.510
You know, they’re not giving too much information.

01:11:28.510 –> 01:11:32.829
They’re taking baby steps and seeing, you know,

01:11:32.850 –> 01:11:35.970
how’s this going to turn out? What’s the interest

01:11:35.970 –> 01:11:40.529
going to be? Let’s not go crazy. I mean, I’m

01:11:40.529 –> 01:11:46.189
guessing Pop House. is covering all the overhead

01:11:46.189 –> 01:11:50.229
of this. But I think Pop House is doing the same

01:11:50.229 –> 01:11:54.569
thing. We don’t have to have a cruise. This is

01:11:54.569 –> 01:11:57.069
where we pretty much have our headquarters for

01:11:57.069 –> 01:12:02.649
everything. Let’s do a one -off, and then we

01:12:02.649 –> 01:12:05.909
can make it a yearly thing. And then if that

01:12:05.909 –> 01:12:10.689
works, let’s just make this a residency. Because

01:12:10.689 –> 01:12:14.829
it’s not a big deal to either one of them to

01:12:14.829 –> 01:12:20.109
give up 24 hours a month to go play. When they

01:12:20.109 –> 01:12:22.729
don’t have to put three hours of makeup on and

01:12:22.729 –> 01:12:26.250
they don’t have to run around in 30, 60 pounds

01:12:26.250 –> 01:12:31.909
of costumes and do all that. I think it would

01:12:31.909 –> 01:12:36.210
be interesting to see Kiss with no hoopla. I

01:12:36.210 –> 01:12:40.159
don’t know how many times. But I’d be interested.

01:12:40.399 –> 01:12:45.260
I’ve never seen Kiss get up there like most bands

01:12:45.260 –> 01:12:48.979
do. And jeans and a t -shirt, like no big Kiss

01:12:48.979 –> 01:12:53.579
sign, no bombs, no fire, no smoke, no nothing,

01:12:53.659 –> 01:12:58.819
and just play. Be interesting at least once.

01:12:58.979 –> 01:13:02.399
If it’s good, it might be interesting more than

01:13:02.399 –> 01:13:09.720
once. Yeah. No, I agree with you. I think there’s

01:13:09.720 –> 01:13:12.960
going to be a test run to see where they go from

01:13:12.960 –> 01:13:19.279
here. If it’s a success, minimally, I mean, they’ll

01:13:19.279 –> 01:13:23.640
do it at least once a year. And as you’re saying,

01:13:23.760 –> 01:13:27.260
if not more, if not more, that they’ll try to

01:13:27.260 –> 01:13:31.260
work it out so that they’re making more money

01:13:31.260 –> 01:13:36.319
in the process. Nobody’s doing conventions, which

01:13:36.319 –> 01:13:45.699
is shocking to me. Right. So that avenue is open

01:13:45.699 –> 01:13:51.579
for them to turn this into a full -fledged yearly

01:13:51.579 –> 01:13:56.760
convention. They have so many different directions

01:13:56.760 –> 01:13:59.739
that they can go in if they want to go there.

01:14:01.739 –> 01:14:05.340
It’s good to be Paul and Jean right now. Right,

01:14:05.359 –> 01:14:09.399
right. Absolutely. And if I was a Sir Peter,

01:14:09.520 –> 01:14:14.819
I’d be very angry and getting angrier. Unless

01:14:14.819 –> 01:14:19.579
they’ve gotten the call. Yeah, but they sold

01:14:19.579 –> 01:14:24.380
their rights. Oh, in that sense? Yeah. Wow. I

01:14:24.380 –> 01:14:30.960
mean, in some respect, I envision. Ace and Peter

01:14:30.960 –> 01:14:34.920
saying in December of 2023, thank God this is

01:14:34.920 –> 01:14:39.520
all over with. And, you know, it wasn’t over

01:14:39.520 –> 01:14:43.699
with for very long, which makes me laugh that,

01:14:43.699 –> 01:14:46.079
you know, the Internet is turned upside down.

01:14:46.520 –> 01:14:50.579
They lied to us. They’re coming back. There’s

01:14:50.579 –> 01:14:53.359
people on the Internet. There’s podcasts. They’re

01:14:53.359 –> 01:14:56.439
going to tour again. I don’t think either one

01:14:56.439 –> 01:15:01.369
of them are physically capable. You look at how

01:15:01.369 –> 01:15:08.909
Gene does do tours, Kiss will never tour like

01:15:08.909 –> 01:15:14.430
that to me. A residency somewhere close, somewhere

01:15:14.430 –> 01:15:17.350
where they can pull in money from other avenues,

01:15:17.430 –> 01:15:21.369
that makes more sense to me. And you throw in

01:15:21.369 –> 01:15:25.350
including the kids and including the other business

01:15:25.350 –> 01:15:28.390
ventures, yeah, this now makes more sense to

01:15:28.390 –> 01:15:33.069
me. But it is KISS, so I could be completely

01:15:33.069 –> 01:15:37.050
wrong. And November 17th, they could announce

01:15:37.050 –> 01:15:46.949
the 2027 KISS World Tour. I’m not going, but

01:15:46.949 –> 01:15:53.609
they could announce it. Yeah. No, I mean, they

01:15:53.609 –> 01:15:56.289
could surprise us with anything. Absolutely.

01:15:57.189 –> 01:15:59.310
But like you’re saying, I mean, people are just

01:15:59.310 –> 01:16:03.560
going. I think they’re just going way off the

01:16:03.560 –> 01:16:06.520
deep end. I love that there are certain celebrities

01:16:06.520 –> 01:16:09.279
that are coming out and calling them out. Oh,

01:16:09.359 –> 01:16:14.220
this is bullshit. Dee Snider, first person that

01:16:14.220 –> 01:16:16.680
I ever interviewed, is already, they’re the worst,

01:16:16.800 –> 01:16:20.279
they’re this, they’re that. Twisted Sister’s

01:16:20.279 –> 01:16:22.859
always been jealous. They’ve, you know, same

01:16:22.859 –> 01:16:26.760
area, kind of tried to copy the same kind of

01:16:26.760 –> 01:16:31.050
garb. But I… Personally prefer what Gene’s

01:16:31.050 –> 01:16:35.890
doing than having, you know, Dee Snider go out

01:16:35.890 –> 01:16:39.069
there and play second fiddle to Bret Michaels.

01:16:39.449 –> 01:16:42.829
I mean, just go out there and be the clown that’s

01:16:42.829 –> 01:16:45.529
just doing We’re Not Gonna Take It and I Wanna

01:16:45.529 –> 01:16:51.289
Rock and, you know, little else. Sing a Jimmy

01:16:51.289 –> 01:16:53.649
Buffett song with Bret Michaels. How, you know,

01:16:53.689 –> 01:16:58.939
who’s really selling out? Well, you know. Part

01:16:58.939 –> 01:17:04.880
of D’s draw is D’s a lot like Gene and Paul.

01:17:05.140 –> 01:17:07.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He knows how to stir up the

01:17:07.460 –> 01:17:11.079
controversy. And him and Paul have been going

01:17:11.079 –> 01:17:14.039
back and forth for like the last 10 years. I

01:17:14.039 –> 01:17:18.340
haven’t watched, I haven’t listened to D’s statement

01:17:18.340 –> 01:17:22.539
yet, but it keeps popping up on my YouTube feed

01:17:22.539 –> 01:17:26.010
at some point. I’m going to have to listen to

01:17:26.010 –> 01:17:28.310
it because I know it’s going to be nothing but

01:17:28.310 –> 01:17:32.010
spewing hate. And look. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dee’s

01:17:32.010 –> 01:17:35.489
not the only one. Oh, no. Spewing hate. There’s

01:17:35.489 –> 01:17:39.010
a lot of people doing that. And I just believe,

01:17:39.149 –> 01:17:42.869
hey, they have their right to do that. I don’t

01:17:42.869 –> 01:17:47.729
see it like the way they see it. Look, if Kiss

01:17:47.729 –> 01:17:54.930
announces a 2026, 2027 world tour. I might jump

01:17:54.930 –> 01:17:58.689
on the hate bandwagon a little bit because everybody

01:17:58.689 –> 01:18:06.229
that, that flew to New York city paid two, $3

01:18:06.229 –> 01:18:12.069
,000 for a ticket, you know, bought pizzas with

01:18:12.069 –> 01:18:15.890
kiss pizzas, you know, did all that goofy shit.

01:18:16.449 –> 01:18:20.529
And then you come back, you know, what, two,

01:18:20.729 –> 01:18:26.680
three years later. No. A lot of people should

01:18:26.680 –> 01:18:29.699
have an issue with that. A one -off in Vegas,

01:18:30.000 –> 01:18:34.420
a yearly thing in Vegas, a residency in Vegas

01:18:34.420 –> 01:18:38.000
that’s different, that’s stripped down, that

01:18:38.000 –> 01:18:41.659
somehow they make different set lists, that kind

01:18:41.659 –> 01:18:44.180
of stuff. Personally, I don’t have any issue

01:18:44.180 –> 01:18:46.420
with that, and I don’t see why anybody would.

01:18:46.939 –> 01:18:51.039
If you’re a real KISS fan. Right. I mean, if

01:18:51.039 –> 01:18:53.180
you want to get into tracks and that kind of

01:18:53.180 –> 01:18:56.539
stuff, and I can understand that. I can understand

01:18:56.539 –> 01:19:01.279
the Kiss fan that says, I will fly to Vegas from

01:19:01.279 –> 01:19:07.000
wherever if Paul is actually singing. I can understand

01:19:07.000 –> 01:19:11.960
that. Unfortunately, you won’t know until it’s

01:19:11.960 –> 01:19:15.100
too late. Because it’s not like they’re going

01:19:15.100 –> 01:19:17.600
to come out and tell you that. Right, right,

01:19:17.619 –> 01:19:22.069
right. Until after you buy the package. I haven’t

01:19:22.069 –> 01:19:24.310
seen it, but I’m guessing it’s non -refundable.

01:19:24.689 –> 01:19:31.029
Probably. The beauty to all of this is that your

01:19:31.029 –> 01:19:37.649
show is called Hooligan Nation, so that if things

01:19:37.649 –> 01:19:40.229
go in that direction, you guys can always talk

01:19:40.229 –> 01:19:44.430
about other bands. That’s why the Kiss -centric

01:19:44.430 –> 01:19:50.890
is there. The Kiss -centric is there. Because

01:19:50.890 –> 01:19:54.670
I didn’t want to be backed into a corner when

01:19:54.670 –> 01:19:57.750
I didn’t want to be backed into a corner. I mean,

01:19:57.770 –> 01:20:01.270
I went to see Jackal live for the first time

01:20:01.270 –> 01:20:09.369
last September, I think. And I went crazy. And

01:20:09.369 –> 01:20:12.489
we argued. We didn’t argue, but we bickered back

01:20:12.489 –> 01:20:15.930
and forth for like two weeks. And finally, I

01:20:15.930 –> 01:20:19.199
said, well, I’m doing a Jackal show. You don’t

01:20:19.199 –> 01:20:22.439
have to do it if you don’t want to. Because I

01:20:22.439 –> 01:20:24.760
wanted to do something different. Right now,

01:20:24.760 –> 01:20:29.159
he wants to do Van Halen. And I want to get through

01:20:29.159 –> 01:20:32.920
the album reviews. But at some point, we’re going

01:20:32.920 –> 01:20:36.720
to venture off a little bit. We’re not going

01:20:36.720 –> 01:20:39.159
to leave our format, but I want to be able to

01:20:39.159 –> 01:20:44.619
venture off in Van Halen, Metallica, Anthrax.

01:20:45.869 –> 01:20:48.789
You know, those kinds of bands, I’d love to venture

01:20:48.789 –> 01:20:54.729
off into the Kiss family tree, Slaughter, bands

01:20:54.729 –> 01:20:59.069
like that. You know, of course, I mean, we’ll

01:20:59.069 –> 01:21:03.930
probably do a series on Vinny because you can

01:21:03.930 –> 01:21:06.289
never run out of things to talk about when it

01:21:06.289 –> 01:21:11.909
comes to Vinny. Right. Yeah, so we’re never going

01:21:11.909 –> 01:21:14.489
to run out. And look, Kiss could have retired

01:21:14.489 –> 01:21:19.170
in December of 2023, and we could still not have

01:21:19.170 –> 01:21:21.949
heard anything, and we’ll still never run out

01:21:21.949 –> 01:21:26.649
of things to talk about because there’s no other

01:21:26.649 –> 01:21:30.010
band out there that has done the crazy shit that

01:21:30.010 –> 01:21:34.149
they’ve done. Right. So you could probably do

01:21:34.149 –> 01:21:37.369
a year’s worth of shows just on stage shows.

01:21:39.149 –> 01:21:41.810
True. Yeah. I mean, I don’t know if anybody watch

01:21:41.810 –> 01:21:47.090
them. I would watch them. But that that’s the

01:21:47.090 –> 01:21:52.670
kind of diehard Kiss fan stuff that I think people

01:21:52.670 –> 01:21:56.949
look for. I know I do. Right. If I can come across

01:21:56.949 –> 01:21:59.529
the podcast that talks about Creatures of the

01:21:59.529 –> 01:22:04.510
Night stage show, I’m all in. I want to I want

01:22:04.510 –> 01:22:08.949
to know, you know, who designed the tank. I want

01:22:08.949 –> 01:22:12.949
to know those stupid facts that the fair weather

01:22:12.949 –> 01:22:18.890
fans don’t care about. Yeah, yeah, I agree with

01:22:18.890 –> 01:22:21.649
you. And that’s what will keep them going still.

01:22:22.850 –> 01:22:25.090
Right. I mean, that’s that’s what’s going to

01:22:25.090 –> 01:22:30.350
keep you guys, you know, give you enough material

01:22:30.350 –> 01:22:33.670
to work with, you know, for quite some time.

01:22:33.789 –> 01:22:36.930
They’re killing me right now. We just recorded.

01:22:38.250 –> 01:22:44.029
a segment about Vegas two days ago. And since

01:22:44.029 –> 01:22:47.069
then, all this new information has come out.

01:22:47.270 –> 01:22:52.170
And I edited the segment today. And I went back

01:22:52.170 –> 01:22:55.770
and forth, like, do I just throw this away and

01:22:55.770 –> 01:22:59.149
try to record another one? Or do I just put this

01:22:59.149 –> 01:23:05.680
out? And I’m thinking. This time next week, there’ll

01:23:05.680 –> 01:23:08.600
be more information out. So this is going to

01:23:08.600 –> 01:23:12.220
I think it’s going to be a never ending thing

01:23:12.220 –> 01:23:14.939
that they’re just going to keep putting little

01:23:14.939 –> 01:23:19.199
tidbits out almost weekly. They’re going to build

01:23:19.199 –> 01:23:24.699
the machine because that’s what they do. The

01:23:24.699 –> 01:23:28.600
elder was going to be a return to the hard rock

01:23:28.600 –> 01:23:32.439
and heavy metal kiss. And they told everybody

01:23:32.439 –> 01:23:38.000
that that would listen. It didn’t work, but they

01:23:38.000 –> 01:23:41.739
tried. Right, right. Yeah. And what that will

01:23:41.739 –> 01:23:44.600
end up doing as well with them dropping those

01:23:44.600 –> 01:23:49.939
small nuggets is that they’ll continue to give

01:23:49.939 –> 01:23:53.500
you information, enough information to do another

01:23:53.500 –> 01:23:57.609
episode. And many other shows and many other

01:23:57.609 –> 01:24:00.649
boards and whatnot online are going to take that

01:24:00.649 –> 01:24:04.670
and run with it for a week. And look, it’s not

01:24:04.670 –> 01:24:11.069
old material. It’s not old material because we

01:24:11.069 –> 01:24:14.649
all have different opinions on it. Right. So

01:24:14.649 –> 01:24:21.510
I can watch my podcast and then go watch six

01:24:21.510 –> 01:24:25.720
other KISS podcasts. about the same subject,

01:24:25.779 –> 01:24:29.619
and not one of us are going to completely agree.

01:24:29.979 –> 01:24:32.479
And somebody’s going to come up with a theory

01:24:32.479 –> 01:24:36.539
that not everybody else came up with. And like

01:24:36.539 –> 01:24:40.300
I said, if you’re a diehard Kiss man, I think

01:24:40.300 –> 01:24:43.020
that’s what you’re looking for, is more about

01:24:43.020 –> 01:24:48.520
the opinions than you are, let’s say, the facts.

01:24:49.199 –> 01:24:52.319
Everybody knows Bob Ezrin produced Destroyer.

01:24:54.380 –> 01:24:57.140
What everybody doesn’t know is what everybody

01:24:57.140 –> 01:25:02.239
else hears out of Destroyer that maybe that person

01:25:02.239 –> 01:25:07.680
that watching hasn’t heard or didn’t hear, if

01:25:07.680 –> 01:25:13.159
that makes any sense to you. So I think that’s

01:25:13.159 –> 01:25:16.500
where, like, you know, I said this from the start,

01:25:16.659 –> 01:25:20.260
we’re not competing against any other KISS podcast.

01:25:21.199 –> 01:25:24.020
We’re not trying to be the best kiss podcast.

01:25:24.859 –> 01:25:28.939
We’re just trying to be different, different

01:25:28.939 –> 01:25:34.180
opinions. You know, I, I, my, my, some of my

01:25:34.180 –> 01:25:38.619
subscribers hate the unmasked kiss, hate the

01:25:38.619 –> 01:25:43.020
keyboards, hate the Bon Jovi sound. I love turn

01:25:43.020 –> 01:25:47.500
on the night. Right. I’m okay with it. Is it,

01:25:47.520 –> 01:25:52.329
you know, is it a, a play off of, Bon Jovi? Absolutely.

01:25:53.529 –> 01:25:58.670
Did it work? Absolutely. It worked. Paul and

01:25:58.670 –> 01:26:01.069
Gene, well, probably just Paul at the time, looked

01:26:01.069 –> 01:26:04.369
over and said, Bon Jovi is selling 10 million

01:26:04.369 –> 01:26:08.229
records. We’re going to make ourselves a couple

01:26:08.229 –> 01:26:15.109
Bon Jovi songs. And it sold. So again, capitalism,

01:26:15.449 –> 01:26:20.170
music business, give them credit. Did they follow

01:26:20.170 –> 01:26:23.770
trends? Absolutely. They followed trends all

01:26:23.770 –> 01:26:28.810
the way to the bank with a Brinks truck. Yeah.

01:26:31.630 –> 01:26:34.970
Yeah, and also they weren’t the only band to

01:26:34.970 –> 01:26:37.590
do that stuff. So, I mean, for as much crap as

01:26:37.590 –> 01:26:44.310
they get, Stones did it. Motley Crue did it.

01:26:45.960 –> 01:26:48.340
Ozzy did it. I mean, the list goes on and on

01:26:48.340 –> 01:26:51.140
where people follow different trends in rock,

01:26:51.220 –> 01:26:56.119
in and out of rock. And it’s not exclusive to

01:26:56.119 –> 01:26:58.560
them. It’s just funny that they get picked on

01:26:58.560 –> 01:27:01.380
for a lot of things that other bands end up doing

01:27:01.380 –> 01:27:05.960
anyway. For some reason, they’re held at a different

01:27:05.960 –> 01:27:09.760
level. I’ve never been able to figure out why.

01:27:10.699 –> 01:27:17.529
Jealousy. So whatever stealing has been part

01:27:17.529 –> 01:27:21.430
of the music business, I think forever. And it’s

01:27:21.430 –> 01:27:24.109
going to continue to be part of the music business

01:27:24.109 –> 01:27:29.069
forever. Yeah. One person, you know, there was

01:27:29.069 –> 01:27:33.069
one Nirvana. And then there was 50 Nirvanas.

01:27:36.390 –> 01:27:41.850
Yeah. No, that’s correct. With every wave, there’s

01:27:41.850 –> 01:27:47.939
always a. A, B, C, D, E, F and onwards, you know,

01:27:47.939 –> 01:27:52.720
version of, of every popular band. So, yeah.

01:27:54.119 –> 01:27:57.359
Where can people go to check out your show? Where,

01:27:57.439 –> 01:28:00.100
where can they follow hooligan nation? Where

01:28:00.100 –> 01:28:02.159
can they listen to it? Where can they comment

01:28:02.159 –> 01:28:07.859
on the episodes? We, our YouTube channel is the

01:28:07.859 –> 01:28:12.609
hooligan nation, a kiss centric podcast. We do

01:28:12.609 –> 01:28:15.369
not have a website up yet. We’re working on it.

01:28:15.869 –> 01:28:20.609
We do have a Facebook group because we’re old.

01:28:21.510 –> 01:28:24.109
It’s the Hooligan Nation, the Kiss Centric Podcast.

01:28:24.210 –> 01:28:30.029
We also have a TikTok and an Instagram that are

01:28:30.029 –> 01:28:32.430
some version of, you know, you’re going to have

01:28:32.430 –> 01:28:34.470
to search because I can’t remember. Hooligan

01:28:34.470 –> 01:28:38.850
Nation, the Kiss Centric Podcast. And it’s it’s

01:28:38.850 –> 01:28:43.029
our social media is in the description of all

01:28:43.029 –> 01:28:46.789
our YouTube videos. And the audio only podcast

01:28:46.789 –> 01:28:54.210
is available on all the podcasting platforms,

01:28:54.550 –> 01:28:58.250
all the major podcasting platforms, you know,

01:28:58.250 –> 01:29:03.770
Apple Music, Spotify, iHeartRadio, all of them.

01:29:05.039 –> 01:29:08.520
We’re still crawling. We’re still crawling right

01:29:08.520 –> 01:29:19.579
now. I think today’s episode is episode 31. That’s

01:29:19.579 –> 01:29:22.180
the full length episode. Then we put out shorter

01:29:22.180 –> 01:29:26.439
segments out on Wednesday. We usually put a trailer

01:29:26.439 –> 01:29:31.720
out for the Friday episode on Monday. If you

01:29:31.720 –> 01:29:35.119
go on the YouTube channel, you get three different

01:29:35.119 –> 01:29:40.600
things a week from us. Audio wise, you usually

01:29:40.600 –> 01:29:45.060
get a Wednesday segment that’s between 15 and

01:29:45.060 –> 01:29:49.960
25 minutes. And then on Friday you’ll get a,

01:29:49.960 –> 01:29:55.899
a full length episode, which is between 45 minutes

01:29:55.899 –> 01:29:59.800
and an hour and a half usually. Okay, cool. And

01:29:59.800 –> 01:30:03.279
as I mentioned before, I, Enjoy the discussions

01:30:03.279 –> 01:30:06.819
that you guys have. So I recommend others check

01:30:06.819 –> 01:30:10.699
it out as well. Well, thank you. Yeah. And I

01:30:10.699 –> 01:30:13.199
do want to thank you for coming on the show tonight.

01:30:13.340 –> 01:30:16.119
Hopefully this will be the first of many appearances.

01:30:16.840 –> 01:30:20.220
Absolutely. Thank you for having me on. So awesome.

01:30:20.359 –> 01:30:23.420
Want to thank everyone who watched the episode

01:30:23.420 –> 01:30:27.239
live or is watching the replay or listening to

01:30:27.239 –> 01:30:31.859
the replay. And we will be back not only with

01:30:31.859 –> 01:30:35.399
Tony, but we’ll be back with more signals from

01:30:35.399 –> 01:31:01.800
Mars. Hopefully next week. See you guys. For

01:31:01.800 –> 01:31:05.000
more information, this concludes our show.